Loeb Classical Library

[Andrew Nance]

Could Accordance get access to the Loeb Classical Library? I would love to have these texts in Accordance. What an amazing resource it would be!

[Daniel L]

I had no idea what this was until I looked it up. Wow! Yes! Commentaries and other works frequently reference authors such as Tacitus and Pliny. I'm not a specialist, but it looks like this library would pretty much fill all the gaps in Accordance's coverage of this range of classical works.

[Steve Carruth]

Andy Barlow is asking if we can get this as well.  He wrote, "Is there any future possibility of adding the Loeb Classical Library to Accordance?
Searches within Loeb are very cumbersome and cryptic. Your platform would handle these quite well and make a huge contribution to NT research.
I would buy it in a flash."

[Guest]

I would love to have the Loeb series in Accordance. I have a number of the print volumes.

[Roman Mazur]

It might be a great news! Because LOEB has in one package original text  and translation. Hopefully it might be a very tempting idea for Accordance staff :)

 

Roman

[Brian W. Davidson]

I can't imagine HUP would be very eager to hand over their texts. I pay yearly to access them online. Would love to have these in Acc, but this seems like a long shot guys.

[docdave]

I would love to see these in Accordance as well.

[Leopold Green]

Yes please!

[A. Smith]

I would love it. Truth is, HUP has sold licenses to other companies, but I don't know what's all involved in that. Another option--perhaps better even--would be a way to port over Perseus texts. Another bible software company does this and it works well, but searching and research isn't great. This, of course, is what Accordance does best. I'd love to have that quantity of greek (and latin) texts to research in accordance. 

[jlm]

21 hours ago, A. Smith said:

I would love it. Truth is, HUP has sold licenses to other companies, but I don't know what's all involved in that. Another option--perhaps better even--would be a way to port over Perseus texts. Another bible software company does this and it works well, but searching and research isn't great. This, of course, is what Accordance does best. I'd love to have that quantity of greek (and latin) texts to research in accordance. 

Well, they’ve done some of the Perseus Greek texts: https://www.accordancebible.com/product/perseus-classics-bundle-untagged-greek-english-and-notes/

Whether they do more will probably depend on the interest these gather.

 

 I would expect their approach to the Loeb classics would be similar if licensing can be worked out: make modules for some of them and see how they sell. I imagine the texts would be untagged, because tagging hundreds of volumes could be a lifetime occupation.

 

 For my part, there are Loeb volumes that interest me, but I don’t think I’d buy a complete set even if it was available. I just don’t read classical literature all that often.

[Λύχνις Δαν]

I am wondering if a way could be made for Accordance to integrate with 3rd party content such as HUP, Scaife etc via APIs. Of course some services would require that the user have their own subscription or free account. Having them all in Accordance would be better for the usual reasons such as having access to the material when offline but it introduces another hop in the corrections chain. And then there is the issue of not wanting the entire library (I couldn't make much use of the Latin for example), so there are pros and cons. But the integration approach would be useful for a number of sites, in theory, and would integrate the search capabilities. Amplify to Loeb would be a cool ability regardless of how it was implemented. A major reason for access to the whole library would be for looking up lexicon references and doing research on usage.

 

Thx

D

[A. Smith]

4 hours ago, jlm said:

Well, they’ve done some of the Perseus Greek texts: https://www.accordancebible.com/product/perseus-classics-bundle-untagged-greek-english-and-notes/

Whether they do more will probably depend on the interest these gather.

 

 I would expect their approach to the Loeb classics would be similar if licensing can be worked out: make modules for some of them and see how they sell. I imagine the texts would be untagged, because tagging hundreds of volumes could be a lifetime occupation.

 

 For my part, there are Loeb volumes that interest me, but I don’t think I’d buy a complete set even if it was available. I just don’t read classical literature all that often.

I'm sorry to say, I can't imagine paying that price for texts that are available free, when they aren't even tagged and able to be used within the accordance ecosystem for research. 

[mgvh]

23 hours ago, Λύχνις Δαν said:

I am wondering if a way could be made for Accordance to integrate with 3rd party content such as HUP, Scaife etc via APIs. Of course some services would require that the user have their own subscription or free account. Having them all in Accordance would be better for the usual reasons such as having access to the material when offline but it introduces another hop in the corrections chain. And then there is the issue of not wanting the entire library (I couldn't make much use of the Latin for example), so there are pros and cons. But the integration approach would be useful for a number of sites, in theory, and would integrate the search capabilities. Amplify to Loeb would be a cool ability regardless of how it was implemented. A major reason for access to the whole library would be for looking up lexicon references and doing research on usage.

 

Thx

D

I'm using the linking to external websites. Here are the codes I'm using:

Perseus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=***&la=greek#lexicon

Scaife: https://scaife.perseus.org/search/?q=***

Logeion: https://logeion.uchicago.edu/morpho/***

Diogenes: https://d.iogen.es/parse?user=acad&dweb=1.003&popup=1&do=parse&lang=***

In Windows, these might not properly open the website in Accordance. If not, I just click on that little arrow in the upper right to send it into my regular browser.

Edited May 10, 2021 by mgvh

[Λύχνις Δαν]

I guess I wasn't very clear above in my post.

 

One key feature of Accordance for me is Research, in particular searching Greek texts. It would be great to have website sources, free as well as subscription if the user has them, integrated into that Research query. So I could see hits in my Accordance Greek texts and in Scaife and in HUP for example. Then with that starting point I could click through to the resources I want, either loading the Accordance module or opening the external resource in a browser.

 

Thx

D

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, Λύχνις Δαν said:

One key feature of Accordance for me is Research, in particular searching Greek texts. It would be great to have website sources, free as well as subscription if the user has them, integrated into that Research query. So I could see hits in my Accordance Greek texts and in Scaife and in HUP for example. Then with that starting point I could click through to the resources I want, either loading the Accordance module or opening the external resource in a browser.

 

So you're wanting something beyond amplifying from Accordance to websites?

 

 

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Amplifying to those sites is a first step and useful in its own right.

 

However, for a while now I have been wondering about the possibility of a single client app that can reach out and issue queries and collect all the results in one place. Research does this, but only for modules inside Accordance. I am speculating here on the possibility of using the API integration that many websites offer these days to query remote resources and pull that information into the Research results as well. Then if you want to go and read the citation in detail you can just leverage the existing click/amplify from Research, but going to the remote site.

 

This may be a peculiar use case (others would have to chime in) but I find myself wanting to know how a word is used all over the place not just in the modules I have in Accordance. One solution is to bring all the modules into Accordance but another which may be easier and have other advantages would be to integrate with those external resources, providing lesser function perhaps, but permitting you to see word usages in a much broader range of texts.

 

Anyhow, that's my crazy idea for the week. Thoughts ? Would this be useful to others ?

 

Thx

D

[ekim37]

+1

[Andrew Patterson]

I will add my endorsement to this request. The Loeb Classical Library provides, beyond simply the OL and English texts, a standard framework for organization and citation of classical works, especially for biblically relevant works.

 

Consider the value of the following---especially in the original languages. Yes, I am aware many of these are already available for Accordance in English, but for a few, Loeb provides the OL and the currently provided edition does not.

 

History: Herodotus, Thucydides, Manetho, Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny, Livy, Josephus

Greek Philosophy and Poetry: Aratus, Menander, Seneca, Plutarch, Aristotle, Plato

Greek/Roman religion: Homer, Lucian, Ovid, Juvenal, Virgil

Rhetoric: Aristotle, Quintilian, Cicero

Geography: Strabo, Ptolemy

Jewish writings: Philo, Josephus

Church writings: Apostolic Fathers, Clement of Alexandria, Augustine, John Damascene, Eusebius, Bede

[Andrew Patterson]

---To say nothing of the value of corporeal word analysis for biblical philology!

[peguard]

+ Very interested

[Gary Pauley]

On 5/10/2021 at 8:22 AM, mgvh said:

I'm using the linking to external websites. Here are the codes I'm using:

Perseus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=***&la=greek#lexicon

Scaife: https://scaife.perseus.org/search/?q=***

Logeion: https://logeion.uchicago.edu/morpho/***

Diogenes: https://d.iogen.es/parse?user=acad&dweb=1.003&popup=1&do=parse&lang=***

In Windows, these might not properly open the website in Accordance. If not, I just click on that little arrow in the upper right to send it into my regular browser.

 

Thanks for posting these!

[Gary Pauley]

Loeb would be a huge addition!! 

[Gary Pauley]

On 5/12/2021 at 10:52 AM, R. Mansfield said:

 

These are really awesome...but does anyone know of similar external sites that can be created for Hebrew resources (lexicons, etc)? 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Gary Pauley

[Dr. Nathan Parker]

Reviving this thread to see interest in this.

[Gary Pauley]

well, I'd be surprised if there is no interest! I'm still in the interested category!