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23 hours ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

Quick question: How much productivity (in addition to running the Accordance app) do all of you now do on an iPad vs a Mac? Do any of you stick with the on-screen keyboard only or use external keyboards?

 

That's tricky for me to answer.  My current iPad is the 10.5" iPad Pro, which came out in 2017.  While it's great that I've gotten 7 years out of it, the battery life has become quite prohibitive.  I also upgraded to an M1 Pro MBP when they came out, so that's been my primary machine for the past few years.  But, I really like working on the iPad.  I think the one-app-at-a-time helps me stay more focused.

 

All that being said, I did get a Magic Keyboard (just the regular bluetooth keyboard) that made using the iPad as a productivity device much more, well, productive.  Along those lines, once I got the new MBP, I've been able to make use of Sidecar and Continuity to control both devices at once, which has been great.

 

I've already ordered an 11" M4 iPad Pro and the iPad Magic Keyboard, and look forward to transitioning toward that as my primary productivity machine, especially when traveling.  But, as I said above, Apple really needs to untether iPadOS from iOS in so many different ways that would really help.

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Good feedback. Keep me posted how things go with your M4 iPad.

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The Achilles' heal of iPad is still iPadOS. And lack of serious developers (ahem, ACCORDANCE). I still use my 2018 iPad Pro. There is nothing I need to do but can't do on that iPad that I could do on a newer iPad, even if it has an M4. It's excessively expensive wasted potential if you're not in a few key creative fields. 

 

Maybe iPadOS 18 will be more like macOS and less like an oversized iPhone. 

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On 5/24/2023 at 7:24 PM, R. Mansfield said:

 

And I was always pushing from the inside trying to get it to be more than a companion app, but no effort was ever really made in that direction. With the power of today's mobile devices, I believe this is more important than ever. 

 

 

The accordance iPad app is an utter waste of anything beyond a 10 year old iPad. None of the power is used. None of the screen space is used. None of the multitasking.  Absolutely none. 

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5 hours ago, A. Smith said:

The Achilles' heal of iPad is still iPadOS. And lack of serious developers (ahem, ACCORDANCE). I still use my 2018 iPad Pro. There is nothing I need to do but can't do on that iPad that I could do on a newer iPad, even if it has an M4. It's excessively expensive wasted potential if you're not in a few key creative fields. 

 

Maybe iPadOS 18 will be more like macOS and less like an oversized iPhone. 

Agreed.  My 2017 iPad Pro has been fantastic, other than missing a few features of the new OS's each year.  But the battery now loses 50% over the course of a worship service (I preach from my iPad), and it is starting to take longer to load things that it used to do quite snappily.  And, I'm picky about displays and maximizing longevity.  Should I have gotten an iPad Air?  Most likely.  But since I could get the Pro... :D 

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iPadOS in general still feels limited to me. Looking forward to WWDC and see what happens.

 

Would also love to see some desktop-class tools on Accordance for iPad (and iPhone). Having Research would be a great start.

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On 5/8/2024 at 4:41 PM, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

Looking forward to WWDC.

 

Quick question: How much productivity (in addition to running the Accordance app) do all of you now do on an iPad vs a Mac? Do any of you stick with the on-screen keyboard only or use external keyboards?


I stopped using my Mac Mini three years ago. If I can’t do it on my iPad, then I won’t do it. This means bible study, topic research, reading, sermon preparation, spreadsheet creation, slideshow creation, document ration, and basic photo editing.

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2 hours ago, zcostilla said:

I stopped using my Mac Mini three years ago. If I can’t do it on my iPad, then I won’t do it. This means bible study, topic research, reading, sermon preparation, spreadsheet creation, slideshow creation, document ration, and basic photo editing.

 

Interesting to know!

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For me Accordance is the biggest weakness on the iPad - Ulysses, Muse, Obsidian, Drafts, Lightroom, DEVONthink are all either same as macOS versions or close enough - and that is without factoring in the use of the pencil which obviously you can't on the Mac - even hated MS 365 works (I only use it because work demand it) though misses some features - on the other hand the interface is much less cluttered and reminds me a bit of Word 5.1 back in the day (of system 7)

 

for me the thing missing is Accordance - plus as someone else noted - when transferring to new iPad from iCloud backup it all works like a dream except for... yes Accordance where you have to manually download all your resources and then start from scratch with the setting... honestly

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17 hours ago, zcostilla said:

If I can’t do it on my iPad, then I won’t do it

Wow! Does this include Accordance, too?

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On 5/19/2024 at 8:03 AM, Brian K. Mitchell said:

Wow! Does this include Accordance, too?


Yes,  but my study habits are very simple. I have two commentaries, Wilmington’s guide to the Bible, Maps, Greek New Testament (Textus Receptus), KJV, RV1960 for Spanish, and Strong’s Concordance. I use the daily reading plan too. 

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While I am hopeful that this year’s WWDC will be iPad-focused after the new hardware updates, I’m not sure how much that will help the Accordance iPad app. I bought the new 13” M4 iPad. It’s a dream to use. I use it more than my MacBook Pro now. The screen is incredible, and reading on my iPad is delightful. The new magic keyboard is as nice as my MacBook Pro keyboard. That being said, even if iPadOS is updated, there are a number of things that Accordance cannot do that are not limited by the current iPad OS. For example, OliveTree’s app already as what Accordance desktop calls the Info Pane. Despite my vast Accordance library, it was quicker and easier for me to go to BibleReader to find a map of David’s battle with Absalom and his army. Accordance for iPad has no easy way to surface those kinds of maps quickly. Not to mention that the Atlas and Timeline don’t work at all on iPadOS. Accordance for iPad is better than BibleReader at some things, including and especially work in original language texts, but it could do so much more in iPadOS 17. I really hope some day that potential is reached, because I think the iPad Pro is a better study device for what Accordance offers than a Mac.

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I bought a lot of resource in Accordance even I invested a lot on Logos beforehand. I went to iPad only for at least 7 years and really don’t wanna go back to desktop OS. I think the hardware and software of iPadOS is powerful enough for Accordance to have major upgrade but it seems they can’t invest a lot of human resource on this platform. The last major upgrade is 2-3 years ago without really new feature from Desktop added. You can tell from the inactivity of this forum. I really hope Accordance will put more resource on iPadOS as now it is the only major tablet platform and even MacOS with Apple chips (all mac in recent years) support iPadOS apps.

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I get the impression that there is not the developmental capacity in Accordance anymore... although I am sure Nathan will say this isn't true but I believe the iPad version of Accordance is now abandonware and we will have to wait for web based Accordance (which I am sure Nathan said was co-developed with an Android version of Accordance) - it is a great pity because for many things the iPad beats using a Mac just not using Accordance as anything other than a so-so ebook reader

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We're definitely not going to abandon the iPad (or iOS in general). Right now our highest priority is getting syncing and Cloud out the door, but mobile is still a focus for us, especially those who want to do more with their iPads.

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Do you think those priorities of cloud and syncing will be shipped in 2024?

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My concern is that Accordance is a year and a half behind schedule on those high priority items.  Assuming that Accordance delivers on those sometime this year, how long are we talking to see iOS improvements? Accordance’s track record of delivering improvements in a timely matter isn’t great of late.

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We're getting closer with syncing and making progress on Cloud. Some Accordance staff not in FL are in or near "Tornado Alley", and severe weather has been heating up across the region lately, so we've had to deal with severe weather occasionally impacting Internet (mine still hasn't fully resolved from our last round of storms). 

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8 hours ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

We're getting closer with syncing and making progress on Cloud. Some Accordance staff not in FL are in or near "Tornado Alley", and severe weather has been heating up across the region lately, so we've had to deal with severe weather occasionally impacting Internet (mine still hasn't fully resolved from our last round of storms). 

 

So you're blaming the 2-year delay of the syncing and cloud solutions (that customers have already paid for) on tornados? 

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5 hours ago, Mark Allison said:

 

So you're blaming the 2-year delay of the syncing and cloud solutions (that customers have already paid for) on tornados? 

Mark, I, too, was shocked by this comment about tornados being the problem.  Unfortunately, this has become the perpetual response, "We are working on it."  New iPads have come out, new iOS's have come out, and new software has been produced, but no syncing and cloud.  Based on the Accordance's track record, they are still working on it, then beta, working on it more...months before we see anything even though it was promised over a year or so ago.  

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I opened the Logos iPad app to explore it for the first time just to see what it has to offer. I’ve been using Accordance loyally since 2005, and I don’t want to have to re-purchase anything or switch platforms. I also feel like we’re not getting real answers or actual progress toward their stated goals. It’s highly concerning at this point.

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On 5/8/2024 at 9:41 PM, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

Quick question: How much productivity (in addition to running the Accordance app) do all of you now do on an iPad vs a Mac? Do any of you stick with the on-screen keyboard only or use external keyboards?

I have the first gen ipad pro and while i could attack a keyboard, ive stuck with the on screen as i use it in landscape, have a cover and just like the convenience of keeping it simple and compact. 
 

How many use keypads on your smart phones?

i use the mbp about twice a month now when finalising the service to convert to pdf for the ipad. If i need accordance, i even find myself using ipad, copying to notes and then opening the synced notes on the mpb to copy into word rather than open accordance on the mac and i still havent downloaded my 14 upgrade which i pre purchased. 

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8 hours ago, Mark Allison said:

So you're blaming the 2-year delay of the syncing and cloud solutions (that customers have already paid for) on tornados?

 

Not the two-year delay. We're still making progress and have been ploughing on.

 

Although since the norm now likes to blame everything on "climate change", why not? ;-) (100% joking on that one)

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55 minutes ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

 

 

Although since the norm now likes to blame everything on "climate change", why not? 😉 (100% joking on that one)

I am sure I shouldn't say this but why did you write it as "climate change"? I suspect we are not that many decades away from a time when everything, quite literally, will be because of climate change

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Mainly as a joke, but I know what you're referring to. :-)

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