dfish@occ.edu Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I have searched through the forums for the answer to this question, but cannot find anything. I had a student ask me the bibliographic source for English glosses of Greek words. He was looking at the lexeme ἄτοπος specifically in Luke 23:41 where one of the thieves on the cross says (of Jesus): οὗτος δὲ οὐδὲν ⸀ἄτοπον ἔπραξεν. When hovering over the word he found the following glosses: out of place, untrodden, odd; paradoxical, absurd He was struck by the gloss paradoxical, but couldn't find any lexicon with that rendering (either in his library, or in our college's library). I did a search of all of my lexicons in Accordance for the English term paradoxical, and I couldn't find anything referring to the Greek word ἄτοπος. Can someone help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 LSJ lists paradoxical for ἄτοπος. ἄτοπ-ος, ον, out of place, out of the way: hence, 1 unwonted, extraordinary, of symptoms, Hp. Aph. 4.52: Comp., ibid.; ἄ. ἁδονά E. IT 842 (lyr.), cf. Arist. EN 1149a15; ὄρνις Ar. Av. 276; πόθος Id. Ec. 956. 2 strange, paradoxical, δοῦλοι τῶν αἰεὶ ἀτόπων slaves to every new paradox, Th. 3.38; ἄτοπόν τι πάσχειν And. 4.34; τῶν -ωτάτων μέντἂν εἴη D. 1.26; ἄτοπα τῆς σμικρολογίας absurd pettinesses, Pl. Tht. 175a; ἄ. ἡδονῆς καὶ λύπης μεῖξις Id. Phlb. 49a; ἄτοπόν ἐστι, c. inf., Pherecr. 91, Eub. 125; οὐδὲν ἄ. εἰ ἀποθάνοιμι Pl. Grg. 521d, cf. Arist. Cat. 11a37, al., etc. b of persons, Isoc. 12.149; ἄ. παιδευτής Pl. R. 493c; ἄ. καὶ δυσχερεῖς D. 19.308; τὸν ἄτοπον φεύγειν ἀεί Men. 203c; ἄ. φαγεῖν given to strange food, Philostr. VA 3.55. 3 unnatural, disgusting, foul, πνεῦμα Th. 2.49; monstrous, ἀτοπώτατον πρᾶγμα ἐξευρών Lys. 3.7; later, wicked, wrong, LXX Jb. 27.6, Ev.Luc. 23.41; of persons, opp. χρηστός, Phld. Sign. 1; of things, bad, harmful, Act.Ap. 28.6 . Adv. -πως in an unfavourable position, κεῖσθαι, of planets, Vett. Val. 63.12. 4 Adv. -πως marvellously or absurdly, Th. 7.30, Pl. Phd. 95b, al., Arist. EN 1136a12, etc.; ἀ. καθίζων, = ἀνυπόπτως, Eup. 180. II non-spatial, τῆς ἰδέας μενούσης ἐν ἀτόπψ αὐτὸ τόπους γεννῆσαν Plot. 6.5.8. Adv. -πως non-spatially, opp. τοπικῶς, Porph. Sent. 33. LSJ, s.v. “ἀτόπ-αστος, ον,” 272.https://accordance.bible/link/read/LSJ#30126 Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgvh Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 @dfish@occ.edu: Hmmm... that is a good question. Dan found "paradoxical" in LSJ, but that isn't where the glosses are coming from. I have quite a few of the Greek lexicons in Accordance, and it's not getting the glosses from any of the usual suspects: UBS, Newman, Mounce... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Accordance has its own set of glosses in a file somewhere - this has come up before if I recall correctly. I don't know how they were originally derived. thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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