jueon Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Hi, I've been using https://www.biblearc.com for phrasing and discourse analysis. It would be great if accordance can develop similar module to do discourse analysis. Thank you. Edited February 23, 2017 by jueon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Gladd Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martin Z Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Related to this, I found out that Logos has an awesome feature that I would like to see in Accordance. It has identified all speakers for all speeches. Users can search the content of speeches by designated speaker. For example, users can search for the verses where Abraham mentions "YHWH." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcas Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 +1 Not arching but a stepping stone in this direction would be just letting the user change the layout of the text (e.g. breaking up lines with a paragraph return). Something like a highlight but whitespace. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew_A Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 +1 Phrasing would be most welcome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jueon Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) I found another tool: https://sourceforge.net/projects/datool/ Edited March 9, 2017 by jueon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Gladd Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Yes, the majority of my students use that DA too. It works! I only wish that something like that could be brought into Accordance. If, Accordance were to import something like that, I would immediately require Accordance of all of my classes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ross Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcas Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 +1 anything that lets the user move the text around so it can be laid out according to user analysis would be fantastic Thanks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 If you start a search with "Biblearc" over all Forums. You'll find a lot of posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Gladd Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 If you start a search with "Biblearc" over all Forums. You'll find a lot of posts. There's no doubt adding a feature like arcing would be huge for Accordance. There are many seminaries in the US that use this type of method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Accordance's Sentence diagramming feature will allow users to construct sentence diagrams, sentence flow charts, and Bible arcs: http://www.accordancefiles2.com/podcasts/p76_diagrammingimprovements.mp4 Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jueon Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I actually tried using the diagraming tool built in Accordance. It's not user-friendly to the point of not being usable. If you try using phrasing or discourse analysis on biblearc, it is easy to use. I guess the request is to upgrade the diagramming tool in Accordance. The fact that bible arc is user-friendly even though it is a free webapp makes this a valid request. Accordance is great. This feature would make this a must buy for any seminarian. Edited March 16, 2017 by jueon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Gladd Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I actually tried using the diagraming tool built in Accordance. It's not user-friendly to the point of not being usable. If you try using phrasing or discourse analysis on biblearc, it is easy to use. I guess the request is to upgrade the diagramming tool in Accordance. The fact that bible arc is user-friendly even though it is a free webapp makes this a valid request. Accordance is great. This feature would make this a must buy for any seminarian. Spot on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieudonne Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Λύχνις Δαν Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 When people say not 'user friendly' in this context, do they mean it's just harder to use and has many more steps required to achieve the same result ? I see criticisms of this type against the sentence diagramming module from time to time. I have often wondered if this problem is the general CAD issue that specialised CAD is easier to use for the particular specialisation but harder/impossible to use for other cases. And on the flip-side general CAD is much more cumbersome to use for a specific task, requiring one to build elements up from much more primitive elements, thus being much more time consuming. Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve King Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Yes Daniel I think you have hit the nail on the head (not sure if that is just a British expression!). It would, of course, be really nice to do exactly the same thing in Accordance that you can do in the Bible Arc application but in reality you would then need to create similar tools for all other types of diagram options. The whole thing would become rather complex. The fact that you can now link to files from user notes has, for me personally, solved the most pressing problem. I can save the diagram in picture format and link to it. Any notes I can add to user notes for that passage as well. The original is not in Accordance but I can have the fruit of the work available within Accordance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Cross Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Am I missing a particular feature that makes this achievable? I would love to see Phrasing in Accordance. When I try to do Phrasing it is very tedious and messy. There is no ability to simply hit Return and move sentences around or tab over a subordinate phrase over without stepping all over the following text. Clicking and dragging groups of words, that do not seem to line up with any kind of grid creates a mess. This is very hard/impossible? to do when analyzing an entire paragraph or chapter to follow the flow of the text. After grouping a portion of a sentence together to show that it is subordinate to the text before it, I cannot discover a clear way to achieve this as the text below it is in the way. Also working on a diagram and making a mistake I could not discover a way to Undo a previous move. Seems that in attempting to allow for all of the different systems of Analysis, none are simple and quick except sentence diagraming. Is the sentence diagram feature highly used? Perhaps having different Modes within the diagraming window that limit the tools and underlying grid to a particular System (Sentence Diagram, Arcing, Phrasing) would expand and enhance the audience that could use this feature. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Accordance's Sentence diagramming feature will allow users to construct sentence diagrams, sentence flow charts, and Bible arcs: http://www.accordancefiles2.com/podcasts/p76_diagrammingimprovements.mp4 Enjoy! I enjoyed it again! Thanks. Now that I'm out of school for a while (maybe forever?) I want to start using some of these tools to help me study and understand with a view to applying God's truth to my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan Dennison Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 There is phrasing now in Accordance 14: In addition, the Andersen-Forbes database is fairly well marked for discourse. See https://www.accordancebible.com/product/biblical-hebrew-grammar-visualized-andersen-forbes/ as well as: https://www.accordancebible.com/understanding-syntax/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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