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21 hours ago, Daniel Francis said:

The pole for this is rather pointless you see the companion volumes sales history and should expect similar sales from this volume.

In my opinion doing nothing when you could be something is pointless

AND guess what? Since far more than one person including you took time to post on this thread I feel that it was worthwhile!

 

21 hours ago, Daniel Francis said:

I virtually don’t even come to the forum any longer and most users aren’t even here. 

I know and that is what makes it all the more impressive that you came by to post on this thread!

So, thank you so much for posting!

 

Smile Good things happen!

Grace and Peace

 

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Brian, I agree with the point Daniel is making that Accordance have the sales figures for both of the versions of the Jewish Study Bible and both of the versions of the Jewish Annotated New Testament so should be able to estimate likely sales for the additional Jewish Annotated Apocrypha as most people will want the set and while there are some users who contribute to the forum, they are a fraction of the full Accordance user base so looking at sales figures is probably a better indication for possible sales.

 

a politician once said that if he received a letter, he estimated that at least another 20 people felt that way. So using that logic, with 20 users voting, the actual pool of purchasers would be more but the historic sales figures would be more accurate and the poll is just an indication of those who are active on the forum. 
 

But looking at the recent posts, there has been a definite shift in who is posting and the subjects raised compared to a few years ago. 

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At the moment there are 18 guests visiting the site and only three registered users. And as you can see from my previous posts, there are usually considerably more people visiting the site compared to registered users (and its only registered users who  could vote should they wish to!).

 

 im also guilty of only visiting the forum once or twice a week these days. 
 

but it's academic now as i waited for four years when the initial responses were positive but have now bought a hard copy as the recent responses have not been encouraging. 

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11 hours ago, ukfraser said:

Brian, I agree with the point Daniel is making that Accordance have the sales figures

Sure, I agree with that too, but we do not have the sales figures so a thread like this can give use (those who do not have sale figures) an idea of how many others are interested in the module and therefore in my opinion this thread/poll was not pointless for it also created some conversation that would not have happened otherwise.

 

10 hours ago, ukfraser said:

At the moment there are 18 guests visiting the site and only three registered users. And as you can see from my previous posts, there are usually considerably more people visiting the site compared to registered users (and its only registered users who  could vote should they wish to!).

@ukfraser so what then is the conclusion of all this? Is the answer to simply give up and be depressed or negative? 

 

 

 

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Hi Brian, to try and answer, 

1) the conclusion is simply a lot of people visit the site who are not registered users so are unable to vote. If you look at all the polls the average respondents is about 30 so I conclude that most polls will achieve about 30 responses. I am not sure if that equates to depression and giving up. Personally, i think for new modules, the historic method of +1 is just as indicative as a poll. But polls have their uses for other questions. 
 

as to this particular resource, i have given up hope that this resource will be added to the accordance library for reasons noted by nathan which i find disappointing.

 

I appreciate you generating discussion on this forum but with the loss of Christian Bookshops in the uk, in the past I have found the forum very useful in being made aware of resources that I would not have come across elsewhere.

 

2) there was already a thread with 59 responses so interest was already quite high so I think the need for a poll was only going to confirm the interest already. Hence the question raised, was there any point/ need for it?

 

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3 hours ago, ukfraser said:

Hi Brian, to try and answer, 

1) the conclusion is simply a lot of people visit the site who are not registered users so are unable to vote. If you look at all the polls the average respondents is about 30 so I conclude that most polls will achieve about 30 responses. I am not sure if that equates to depression and giving up.

No, it does not equate to depression and giving up BUT what does equate to that are Daniel Francis' claims that poll is pointless and two that virtually no one comes here any more.

 

Rather than giving up I would like to help create more discusion even if that is only with the active members why? Because I believe that activity breeds activity and positivity breeds positivity! 

 

3 hours ago, ukfraser said:

I appreciate you generating discussion on this forum but with the loss of Christian Bookshops in the uk, in the past I have found the forum very useful in being made aware of resources that I would not have come across elsewhere.

I am happy to read this because I thought you had embraced Daniel's message of doom and gloom.

 

3 hours ago, ukfraser said:

there was already a thread with 59 responses so interest was already quite high so I think the need for a poll was only going to confirm the interest already. Hence the question raised, was there any point/ need for it?

Wait a minute! Daniel made the direct statement that this thread was pointless, in otherwords that was not a question!

However, the fact that more than one person did vote and the fact that this conversation is still going on proves to me that this poll and thread was not pointless but indeed did have meaning. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Brian K. Mitchell said:

 

Rather than giving up I would like to help create more discusion even if that is only with the active members why? Because I believe that activity breeds activity and positivity breeds positivity! 

I am just disappointed that such a high (unrealistic, unachievable? ) number was set in order for obtaining the copyright to proceed rather than the team analysing past sales data.

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14 hours ago, ukfraser said:

I am just disappointed that such a high (unrealistic, unachievable? ) number was set in order for obtaining the copyright to proceed rather than the team looking at past sales. 

@ukfraser Okay, thanks for clarifying this!

I wish you had written this first as it is reasonable and makes a whole lot more sense than stating that someone else was justified in claiming this thread/poll was pointless, but yet somehow his negative comments about the creation of this thread/poll were a worthwhile contribution?

 

 

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It is also a concern for accordance’s health. A friend messaged me to say how disappointed he was with all recent releases and that he hadn’t bought anything for a long time. I am in a similar position. There are resources I would love to add to accordance but not only are they unavailable but for the most part seem not being worked on. I value accordance but it is not offering anything that I want to buy. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Daniel Francis said:

It is also a concern for accordance’s health. 

This just shows that the management is taking accordance in a different direction in their choice of new resources. Nathan has stated that accordance is healthy in another thread so I am not too concerned. 

I am very pleased with the library I have managed to build in accordance over the last  14 years and am accepting that it is unlikely i will be adding very much more to my library in future so making plans to obtain the resources I want from other sources as required. 

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This module would be great. So would updated IVP dictionaries. So would a dozen or so other useful academic tools. But I don’t care about any of it (and won’t buy it) until the promised features now two years in the making are actually released and reliable. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, ukfraser said:

Nathan has stated that accordance is healthy in another thread so I am not too concerned.


What else is he going to say? And what’s the definition of health? 

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41 minutes ago, ukfraser said:

Nathan has stated that accordance is healthy in another thread so I am not too concerned. 

He also stated that the economy is going to improve in 2025, which is an innovative claim. I find none of his reassurances to be reassuring. This isn't a slight against Nathan, he just simply is not empowered to alleviate any of my concerns. 

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2 hours ago, JonathanHuber said:

 I find none of his reassurances to be reassuring. 

I just hope they find suitable programmers to expand the programming team that nathan was talking about as this should speed up development to bring the promised features once they are up to speed with the programme. 

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IVP dictionaries are something we could easily do (and something I personally would want).

 

If any of you know of some programmers that meet the qualifications that we've mentioned, let us know. We're ready to put them to work!

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46 minutes ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

If any of you know of some programmers that meet the qualifications that we've mentioned, let us know. We're ready to put them to work!

 

Are these positions advertised anywhere (e.g., Accordance website, social media, job board, etc.) so that we can more easily share them? Perhaps I missed the others, but the only qualification I've seen posted in the forums is the need for expertise in JavaScript/TypeScript.

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4 hours ago, Steven S said:

Are these positions advertised anywhere (e.g., Accordance website, social media, job board, etc.) so that we can more easily share them? Perhaps I missed the others, but the only qualification I've seen posted in the forums is the need for expertise in JavaScript/TypeScript.

 

I don't think they're on our website. I can see if we can add it there. I'm not sure about social media since I'm not on it. I can also see if we're going to do a social media blast on it. We are looking for programmers with expertise in JavaScript/TypeScript. They can email our Customer Service department, and management can grab it and review their job application.

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Another suggestion I'd have on JAA is for those of you who want it, send the publisher an email and let them know you'd love to see it in Accordance. Sometimes when publishers hear directly from customers on certain works, they reach out to us and attempt to help us get some works faster. While there are no guarantees, it never hurts to make your voice heard to publishers.

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7 hours ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

Another suggestion I'd have on JAA is for those of you who want it, send the publisher an email and let them know you'd love to see it in Accordance. Sometimes when publishers hear directly from customers on certain works, they reach out to us and attempt to help us get some works faster. While there are no guarantees, it never hurts to make your voice heard to publishers.

Just so you know, I already did many moons ago when it was first published and helen informed us that oup are a pain. 

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18 hours ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

I don't think they're on our website. I can see if we can add it there. I'm not sure about social media since I'm not on it. I can also see if we're going to do a social media blast on it. We are looking for programmers with expertise in JavaScript/TypeScript. They can email our Customer Service department, and management can grab it and review their job application.

 

I put in a request with our web/social media team to see if we can also get pages up there so you have something sharable.

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Posted
11 hours ago, ukfraser said:

Just so you know, I already did many moons ago when it was first published and helen informed us that oup are a pain. 

 

Pain may be a little strong of a term from Helen, but the main issue is there are substantial upfront royalty costs on top of the development costs (which we don't have with many other publishers, we just pay our development costs, and when the module sells, we pay royalties) plus the additional royalties (which are still high), so it's harder to get some of these into production without a guaranteed amount of sales.

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32 minutes ago, Dr. Nathan Parker said:

 

Pain may be a little strong of a term from Helen, but the main issue is there are substantial upfront royalty costs on top of the development costs (which we don't have with many other publishers,

Ok i paraphrased what helen diplomatically said. 
but having said that we do have a number of oup publications and they do come up on sale quite frequently at good discounts. Plus there will be sales data on the oup modules that have been purchased from accordance. 

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Helen's posts are accurate. We keep approaching them occasionally but getting the same response. We'll periodically keep at it and see what happens.

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