Kristin Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 As a preface, @JonathanHuber and I both agree this construction is not possible. So please keep that in mind. With that as a preface, after we had a discussion I ran a construct for a present active indicative masculine nominative verb. I have a few issues. 1) Given that this doesn't occur, why are there 4061 hits? 2) As an example, why is it pulling ἔχουσα which is feminine? 3) Why is my construct randomly running in Sinaiticus? (I originally ran it and it went to the NA28, then I decided to do it again to post a screenshot, and this time it opened Sinaiticus??) Thank you for any clarity anyone is able to provide. Sincerely, Kristin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanHuber Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 See the negative before the indicative? You're actually searching for words that are NOT indicative, which means it's picking up participles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, JonathanHuber said: See the negative before the indicative? You're actually searching for words that are NOT indicative, which means it's picking up participles. Hi Jonathan, Oh my gosh!! Thank you, and I just learned something! I actually didn't even know you could write "not" with a minus sign, I thought you had to use that official "NOT" thing that crosses something out. So that is good to know. I guess next time I find something weird, I will re-check what I typed to see if I accidentally hit something. That said, why is it pulling Sinaiticus? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Hi Kristin, your construct window says it is linked to GNT-SINAITICUS (at the bottom of the construct window). Sometimes when I am flipping between multiple tabs I know I lose track of which text is selected in the search bar. Can you *reproduce* this? If so, it could be good to see a little video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 Hi @Ken Simpson, Thank you for noticing that. I just tried re-running the search and it is going to the NA28 and I can't reproduce what happened. So given that, and what you noticed, I must have somehow clicked on a word from Sinaiticus when I did my construct without noticing it. I am not entirely sure how I did that, but it at least explains what happened. The next time something super weird like that happens I will check at the bottom and see if the construct and I agree where I am searching. Thanks again, Kristin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) As I look at it again, in the search text in the left pane, the search term [LINK Greek Construct] is in the search bar, and the search TEXT is GNT-SINATICUS (just to the left), The construct search has been done on this text and you can see that because the command [LINK Greek Construct] is greyed out (yes I am not American). So I would say you did your search on NA28-T, then changed the search text in the little drop down. The search is not automatically done and you will see that the search term [LINK Greek Construct] goes back to being black and the displayed text changes to GNT-SINAITICUS with no hits. But if you press return, the search will be performed on the new search text. The search term greys out and the displayed text changes to GNT-SINAITICUS with the hits in red (which is exactly what we see in your screenshot). So I wonder if you changed the search text to look at sinaiticus and then pressed return inadvertently??? Just perhapsing.... Edited August 5 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael J. Bolesta Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 @Ken Simpson, @Kristin's verbal element is not indicative, which explains hits that include participles. Yet she specified masculine, and one of the hits is a feminine participle. Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Ok, ok @Michael J. Bolesta I’ll have a look at that when I get home. 😊 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 (edited) I tried the construct search on UBS5 and confirm that if "indicative" is negated, gender appears to be ignored. There are 2928 hits returned regardless of whether gender is specified as masculine, feminine or neuter, or even if gender is left unspecified. Negating something in the set complement of any other parameter doesn't seem to trigger this bug. For example, if tense is changed from "present" to "-aorist" (i.e. 'not aorist', which includes 'present'), the search results should include whatever was returned for "present" - but it doesn't; it seems to revert to correct operation. Within my limited testing, it's only a negated mood that triggers the bug. Further, if mood is set as 'participle' without negation, the search respects the gender specification. Edited August 7 by Lawrence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Yes, I concur Lawrence. Looks like a bug there to me. Thanks @Dr. Nathan Parker - can someone look at this please? It looks like the gender item is being ignored altogether. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nathan Parker Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 @Ken Simpson Will do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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