Saying the quiet part out loud

[Ben Denckla]

If you're interested in the errors you'll find in Accordance's Hebrew Bibles, you may enjoy my new article, "Saying the quiet part out loud", which is part 2 of what I hope will be an ongoing series called "Undoing and redoing the work of the Masoretes". I posted a link to the first part of the series in a previous post.

[Robert Holmstedt]

I'm enjoying your sleuthing, Benjamin. Accurate representation of the historical artefacts (in this case, the Masoretic texts) is extremely important. Good work. 

[Brian K. Mitchell]

On 12/15/2023 at 5:07 AM, Benjamin Denckla said:

If you're interested in the errors you'll find in Accordance's Hebrew Bibles, you may enjoy my new article

 

Yes, I enjoy your articles!

[Ben Denckla]

16 hours ago, Robert Holmstedt said:

I'm enjoying your sleuthing, Benjamin. Accurate representation of the historical artefacts (in this case, the Masoretic texts) is extremely important. Good work. 

Thanks, Robert, for your words of encouragement. I share your feeling that the works of the Masoretes are indeed historical artifacts worthy of careful transcription as a form of preservation. And ...

 

Let's not forget that they are not just historical: they form the basis of the texts that are used ritually by a real, living, breathing worldwide community: Jews!

 

I don't seek to diminish the importance of the Hebrew Bible for Christians. But Jews and Christians use the Hebrew Bible in different ways. Of particular importance to Jews are the accents, since they are used ritually. My sense is that to Christians, the accents are less important, and are mainly relevant in the following roles:

• Accents as a kind of punctuation
• Accents as an indicator of spoken (rather than sung) stress

Whereas Jews use the accents to bring the text to ritual, musical life, by chanting it.

 

(Of course, above I've been generalizing. I acknowledge that there are some Christian communities who incorporate Hebrew, perhaps even chanting, into their rituals. And there are some Jews who incorporate little Hebrew, chanted or otherwise, into their rituals! And, of course, there are Christians and Jews who have little or no ritual practice, and I don't seek to diminish their identification as a Christian or a Jew because of that!)

[Kristin]

Hi @Benjamin Denckla and those reading this,

On my end, large parts of the text is scrambled. Am I the only one seeing this? I had seen this on the first pI will post a screenshot of what I am seeing.

 

[Mike Atnip]

41 minutes ago, Kristin said:

Hi @Benjamin Denckla and those reading this,

On my end, large parts of the text is scrambled. Am I the only one seeing this? I had seen this on the first pI will post a screenshot of what I am seeing.

 

Must be on your end, @Kristin. I was able to view it perfectly fine.

[Kristin]

2 hours ago, Mike Atnip said:

Must be on your end, @Kristin. I was able to view it perfectly fine.

 

Thanks for letting me know. 

[Ben Denckla]

20 hours ago, Kristin said:

Hi @Benjamin Denckla and those reading this,

On my end, large parts of the text is scrambled. Am I the only one seeing this? I had seen this on the first pI will post a screenshot of what I am seeing.

 

Here's a PDF version, in case that helps. (You might be able to create PDF and other formats yourself from the "Download" item on the "File" menu of the Google Doc.)

Undoing and redoing the work of the Masoretes – part 2 – Saying the quiet part out loud.pdf

[Brian K. Mitchell]

20 hours ago, Kristin said:

On my end, large parts of the text is scrambled. Am I the only one seeing this?

I wonder if this has something to do with the fonts you have on your computer or maybe the fonts you don't have? 

[Kristin]

Hi @Benjamin Denckla,

Thank you very much.  Ken had offered a PDF as well, and I really appreciated this from both of you!

 

34 minutes ago, Brian K. Mitchell said:

I wonder if this has something to do with the fonts you have on your computer or maybe the fonts you don't have? 

 

Hi @Brian K. Mitchell,

Thanks for the idea, but I don't think so. Last night when @Ken Simpson sent me the doc, he also sent an actual docx file, which viewed fine on my computer. So I must have the fonts. I am inclined to think it might have to do with the browser? .... in fact, I just checked, and yes, that is the issue. The scrabbled text is on Brave, but if I open Firefox it shows fine. Given that that Brave uses Chromium, I am surprised that it is having issues, assuming it works on Google Chrome. (I haven't checked if it does, but I assume some people here have opened this on Google Chrome).

[Steven S]

1 hour ago, Kristin said:

The scrabbled text is on Brave, but if I open Firefox it shows fine.

 

Just noting that I'm able to view the document at the original link correctly using Brave [Version 1.61.104 Chromium: 120.0.6099.115 (Official Build) (64-bit)] on Windows 10, so the rendering problem might be OS-specific, too.

[Kristin]

10 minutes ago, Steven S said:

Just noting that I'm able to view the document at the original link correctly using Brave [Version 1.61.104 Chromium: 120.0.6099.115 (Official Build) (64-bit)] on Windows 10, so the rendering problem might be OS-specific, too.

 

Hi @Steven S,

Maybe you are right. Given what you wrote, I updated Brave (as it had been asking me to do last week), but even after the update it is still scrambled. It would be interesting if another Mac user could open it with Brave and see how it is on their end, but I know that might be too niche of a group for there to be another user to check.

[c. stirling bartholomew]

3 hours ago, Kristin said:

 

Hi @Steven S,

if another Mac user could open it with Brave and see how it is on their end, but I know that might be too niche of a group for there to be another user to check.

 I am using the last version of Brave which runs on Mojave and have no problems with the content you are having problems with.

[Dr. Nathan Parker]

Working on Brave on my M2 Mac.

[Kristin]

Hi @c. stirling bartholomew and @Dr. Nathan Parker,

That is interesting. I guess it must be a combination of Brave and the specific OS, as I am the only one on Ventura, I think.