richardlanguage Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I just realized that an option for a tab is a "web browser." I find this terribly distracting. I don't want the option of a web browser inside this software. At minimum, I'd like it to redirect to my computer's default browser in order to block and track certain usage. Is there any way to turn this option off? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I don’t think there’s a way to disable it at the moment (you can ignore the web browser option). We can look at such an option in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinPurcell Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 1/10/2023 at 9:12 PM, richardlanguage said: I just realized that an option for a tab is a "web browser." I find this terribly distracting. I don't want the option of a web browser inside this software. At minimum, I'd like it to redirect to my computer's default browser in order to block and track certain usage. Is there any way to turn this option off? I think many others disagree with you. In fact I wrote a post when this was first introduced that showed how to use Logos Web App and the Wordsearch Web App inside Accordance. It is still one of the most visited posts on my website. https://www.kevinpurcell.org/accordance-can-show-your-logos-and-wordsearch-books/ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarcher Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Having this feature is imperative to quite a few important workflows for people. So.. please don't remove this feature. :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Hi @KevinPurcell and @jarcher, I would just like to mention, that I am pretty sure that @richardlanguage is not actually suggesting "removing" it, but rather saying it does not work for him, and he would like the option to personally turn it off since it does not work for him. If I am understanding that correctly, I agree 100%. I can see how the feature could be useful for some people, but for me personally, I find it really obnoxious. I simply don't have the screen real estate to be viewing webpages in the space of 2 inches. It makes it really difficult to read and messes up my current work flow. I also don't like it since I find it unclear what cookies it is letting websites use. When the website opens in Accordance, I need to copy it and paste it to a real private browser window on a real browser, and then close the Accordance web browser, then go and delete my cookies again since Accordance randomly opened a web page without it being in private. So I would never suggest "removing" it, but I would see it as very helpful for the option to turn it off, as I think Richard had been expressing. Also, since they are grouped in settings, I will mention I use the "Text Browser" every day, but the only thing I do with the Web Browser are the steps I said above, of copying the link and deleting cookies. Kristin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandennison Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Allow me to be the first to recommend multiple monitors. Having 2 Accordance workspaces on different monitors with my work in the middle allows me to really be able to see all of the works I have purchased. Link tabs between monitors is like magic. You have to try this. Which reminds me, Link Tabs for Amplify->Website would be ideal for many workflows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I have multiple monitors. I also have three Accordance apps open at a time, two in Ventura--the regular and א-version--and one in a Windows 11 VM, on the menu bar in coherence mode. I will never have enough space for all I want open in Accordance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Hi @dandennison and @Michel Gilbert, You both raise a good point about how many monitors someone is using drastically influencing their opinion of the Web Browser. Myself, I am still struggling along on one monitor, so you can imagine how impractical the web browser is literally opening on the side of my workspace. It is really imperative that web work is done on a completely different window which I can access or not using F4 on a Mac. So based on who likes the web browser feature, and who wants to turn it off, seems to becoming a survey on how many monitors someone has available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) @Kristin, I liked your post because I too find the web browser obnoxious. Some already know my strong feelings about it. I even asked Rick to remove an (embarrassingly) over-the-top comment about it years ago. I’ve had safety concerns about it from the beginning, and the porn incident did little to calm my fears. Dan posted after my "Like," so he was rightly including me in the not-in-favor group. I was saying to Dan that despite using multiple (= two for now) monitors and other Accordance windows, I don’t use the web browser in Accordance (and I never will). Edited January 12 by Michel Gilbert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Hi @Michel Gilbert, Thanks for clarifying, and I agree completely. If I had three monitors I still would not use the Accordance Web Browser, but I do suspect that there are others here who don't despise it like we do, but nonetheless would still like to turn it off since they are on only one monitor. So personally, I would like to turn it off since I don't like it, and also because I only have one monitor, which are sort of two unrelated reasons. Either way, it needs to be an option to disable (without harming the Text Browser, which I like a lot). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I’m trying to better understand what is “obnoxious” about it and what would justify our need to add a “disable” feature. Even though it’s enabled in my copy of Accordance, and even though I occasionally use it (for Galaxie, for Logos Web App, etc.), at times I’ve forgotten it’s even there in the app unless I’ve put a web browser icon on my toolbar reminding me to use it. So it’s never gotten in my way when I’ve ignored/forgotten about it. In terms of the cookies, on the Mac, I believe it uses a similar system as Safari (or at least that’s what I was told a while back when I needed to flush a cookie from it). I’d have to find out on Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 @Nathan Parker Merriam-Webster’s definition of “obnoxious” includes “highly offensive” and, “archaic : exposed to something unpleasant or harmful.” When the web browser was first introduced, someone was vehemently opposed to it because it didn’t have any parent controls or other safeguards. Having just returned from a missions conference where I was made aware of many web abuses by missionary kids, I knew that it could be harmful. I found it highly offensive that Accordance didn’t take quick action to mitigate this potential misuse. The decision seemed incompatible with Bible software. But as I said, I asked Rick to take down that over-the-top post. A few others over the years expressed privacy concerns. The recent porn incident confirmed those fears. I also found it mind-boggling that during the incident, forum members were advising developers on the problem and how to fix it. Try to guess what word came to mind. It gave me zero confidence that it is safe to use. Even you say, “I believe it uses a similar system as Safari.” But you don’t know. I will never trust the web browser until there is complete transparency about its release, early vulnerabilities, patches or fixes, ongoing threats and protections, etc. (Another thing is that I just learned that every time I sign into the forum, I log into my account, which stays open until I go in and log out. When and where did I give my permission for this?) If you met me in person, I think you would be surprised at how different I am than what you were expecting. Forum posts aren’t the best means of communication. In person, strong language can be mitigated by other forms of communication. I do not think a web browser belongs in Bible software. We have app icons to access the web, and safeguards and protections. Others will disagree. But, you asked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Nathan Parker said: In terms of the cookies, on the Mac, I believe it uses a similar system as Safari (or at least that’s what I was told a while back when I needed to flush a cookie from it). Hi @Nathan Parker, I echo everything @Michel Gilbert just wrote above, but "like Safari" really adds to my reasons why NOT to use it, as Safari simply does not have the same type of anonymity and cookie prevention as other competing browsers. I use a Mac, obviously, but not Safari for privacy reasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Thanks for the feedback! That gives us a better understanding of your concerns about it. I’ll try to get more technical details on the web browser in general, and I’ll put in some feedback on if there’s a way we can offer some form of disable switch (while still offering it for people who benefit from it). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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