Greek Diagram module question

[Rev. Dr. Timothy M. Hall]

So, perhaps an obvious thing I am missing ... where can I find a key to the color coding of the Greek Diagram module? (https://accordancebible.com/product/greek-diagrams-not-for-mobile/)

[Kristin]

Hi @Timothy Hall,

If I am understanding your question correctly, it is underneath the diagram itself.

 

I hope this helps,

Kristin

 

[Louis Lapides]

Kristin: This is very helpful. However, I cannot get the sidebar and the key to show.I am using Accordance 14 on a MacBook Pro M1 running macOS 13.1.  I'm not sure why I can't see the key on my display.   Thanks.

 

 

On second thought, I think you are using a module to actually diagram Greek sentences. I am using the Greek diagram module with the diagram already completed. But in every case I do not know what the colors mean. Maybe the key you displayed would work with the module I have???? I am speaking of the GNT diagram.

Louis Lapides

Edited February 3, 2023 by Louis Lapides

[Kristin]

Hi @Louis Lapides,

I actually don't diagram often, but that said, if I am understanding correctly, start by just opening up a diagram of a random verse. Then in the white part of the diagram right click on "Set Diagram Display" and I am pretty sure the issue is that you need to click "Show color key."

 

I hope this helps some,

Kristin

 

[Kristin]

Hi @Louis Lapides,

I am sorry for another post, but I just finally found the other diagram which is preset, and I see that you cannot right click. (I assumed you could for both, but apparently not).

 

I have been messing with it and I actually can't find the color key for it either. It seems like it should be somewhere, but I am not sure where.

 

The key really is needed too. If you hover over an actual Greek word it will tell you what it is. In Mt 9:29 (as a random example), if you hover over ἥψατο it will tell you what part of speech it is, etc in the instant details. However, it is also full of χ symbols and there does not appear to be clarity what it is. You also can't modify the colors and the only thing you can do is make it bigger or smaller.

I was recently in a webinar @Abram K-J did and he was using the diagrams, so maybe he knows where the key is for this?

Kristin

[Louis Lapides]

Thanks Kristin. Maybe I’ll reach out to Abram and ask him. I’ll get back to you if he gives me any insights applicable to our question. I’m glad I’m not alone wiyh this question. 

[Louis Lapides]

Replying to your post, I will try your suggestion to see if it works. Thanks again. 

[Abram K-J]

11 hours ago, Kristin said:

I was recently in a webinar @Abram K-J did and he was using the diagrams, so maybe he knows where the key is for this?

 

I think what you've shown in your post above, @Kristin, is as close as you get to a key to the Greek Diagrams module. I mean, the color coding is all exactly the same, so what you show is the key to the Greek Diagrams module. However, there are a few problems here that I think could be fixed:

 

1a. Users access it from the interface where you create your own diagram. Multiple steps. Would be better to access that via the Greek Diagrams module itself. You right-click in your user-created Diagram tool to get it, so could the developers enable right-click in Greek Diagrams to access it there, too? Or at least put it in Preferences?

 

1b. This is still just color coding. Nothing on the lines themselves. For discussion on that, see here. See also help files here.

 

2. If you change the colors on your own (which Accordance allows you to do), now you won't have a key to the Greek Diagrams module. However, the Greek Diagrams color coding is also noted in the "Accordance Module Info" module, which I always find by searching my Library for "Read Me." Then search by Titles for Diagram. I'd include a module URL, but I think that scheme is still broken?

      (Note: the key there appears to need to to be updated, as it is missing the Crasis item)

 

 

11 hours ago, Kristin said:

However, it is also full of χ symbols and there does not appear to be clarity what it is.

 

This is just meant to be a literal X, which means there is no actual word in the Greek there; it's a placeholder. So in Matthew 9:29, ἥψατο = "he touched," but the "he" is not a separate word; yet it is the subject. So in the subject place of the diagram, there is the X / χ. I don't know why this explanation doesn't show up when you hover over it. It should.

 

[Louis Lapides]

Replying to your post, I will try your suggestion to see if it works. Thanks again.

[Louis Lapides]

@Abram K-J Kristin and I were wondering the same thing re the preset GNT Diagram module. Is there a color code to the colors used in this module. I’m sure I can come up with a close approximation, but a written color code from Accordance would be helpful. Any advice? 

[Abram K-J]

Yes, the color code you get for the user-created diagrams is the same key as is used in Accordance's completed "Greek Diagrams" module. (Not sure if our posts might have crossed, since my longer post above speaks to this.)

[Louis Lapides]

@Abram K-J Sorry I did not see that in your longer post. Thanks!