MattChristianOT Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 This one should be fairly easy to get- Comes out in June of this year: https://www.amazon.com/Basics-Hebrew-Accents-Mark-Futato/dp/0310098424/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/137-5346584-7424942?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0310098424&pd_rd_r=fdf30bee-bc65-43f9-bbce-d8f28d11a260&pd_rd_w=i1blw&pd_rd_wg=qwUWh&pf_rd_p=7cd8f929-4345-4bf2-a554-7d7588b3dd5f&pf_rd_r=R4H9KT8C5JD2PFN94EK5&psc=1&refRID=R4H9KT8C5JD2PFN94EK5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 If possible I would also like to have this work in Accordance too.... however, as the author is connected with another software company (the other software company already has a prepublication page up for the said volume) and seems to be preparing to release this book digital for the other later this year I am not sure how feasible or probably it would be for Accordance to acquire the license need to produce and sell it. But maybe it is possible? After all Accordance does have the author's Begining Hebrew Text (LINK). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChristianOT Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 If possible I would also like to have this work in Accordance too.... however, as the author is connected with another software company (the other software company already has a prepublication page up for the said volume) and seems to be preparing to release this book digital for the other later this year I am not sure how feasible or probably it would be for Accordance to acquire the license need to produce and sell it. But maybe it is possible? After all Accordance does have the author's Begining Hebrew Text (LINK). Shouldn't be too difficult since it is published by Zondervan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Holmstedt Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) The only caveat I'd offer is that we still don't * fully understand* the accents well. So any "textbook" is simply speculation. There are still theses occasionally written on the accents; I reviewed an essay a few months ago that proposed an entirely new analysis (it was very intriguing). The current best resource for understanding all things Masoretic is Israel Yeivin's Introduction to the Tiberian Masorah (trans. and rev. by E. J. Revell; Scholars Press, 1980). If the new book under question isn't just terribly problematic, it is likely a summary of Yeivin (and why have a summary when you have the full thing, which is already quite understandable?). Now if the Yeivin book were turned into an accordance module, it would be fantastic! Edited March 14, 2020 by Robert Holmstedt 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChristianOT Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 The only caveat I'd offer is that we still don't * fully understand* the accents well. So any "textbook" is simply speculation. There are still theses occasionally written on the accents; I reviewed an essay a few months ago that proposed an entirely new analysis (it was very intriguing). The current best resource for understanding all things Masoretic is Israel Yeivin's Introduction to the Tiberian Masorah (trans. and rev. by E. J. Revell; Scholars Press, 1980). If the new book under question is just terribly problematic, it is likely a summary of Yeivin (and why have a summary when you have the full thing, which is already quite understandable?). Now if the Yeivin book were turned into an accordance module, it would be fantastic! Agreed. Greg Khan recently launched a two volume work on the Tiberian vocalization that is open access through Cambridge University. He suggests some new vocalizations. I personally have not studied any of it and the different theories beyond the basics but I know some interest has been expressed here on the vocalization systems, hence my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Now if the Yeivin book were turned into an accordance module, it would be fantastic! Hi Robert and Matt, I asked Accordance for this years ago at https://www.accordancebible.com/forums/topic/17263-introduction-to-the-tiberian-masorah/?p=83502 Please add your +1 to revive the thread, and let Accordance know you would like it too. Thanks. Michel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChristianOT Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 Hi Robert and Matt, I asked Accordance for this years ago at https://www.accordancebible.com/forums/topic/17263-introduction-to-the-tiberian-masorah/?p=83502 Please add your +1 to revive the thread, and let Accordance know you would like it too. Thanks. Michel Done- Robert did as well. I think all of these would be useful and hopefully offer some contrasting views for study and comparison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 .The current best resource for understanding all things Masoretic is Israel Yeivin's Introduction to the Tiberian Masorah (trans. and rev. by E. J. Revell; Scholars Press, 1980). If the new book under question isn't just terribly problematic, it is likely a summary of Yeivin (and why have a summary when you have the full thing, which is already quite understandable?). Wow, that is an intriguing and bold statement considering Yeivin's book was written 40 years ago although this may be true and Yeivin's book continues to be the scholarly standard. I am curious how you feel about Joshua R. Jacobson's, Chanting the Hebrew: The Complete Guide to the Art of Cantillation. Being that Jacobson's encyclopedic text runs about 965 pages it is hard for me to believe that it could likely be simply a summary of Yeivin's book which only 324 pages. To be sure Jacobson does refer to both Yeivin's "Hat'amat ha-torah she-ba'al peh ba-te'amm" in Leshoneynu 24, and "Introduction the Tiberian Masorah". Now if the Yeivin book were turned into an accordance module, it would be fantastic! I fully agree with the statement above! I too would love to see Yeivin's work (and works) in Accordance, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChristianOT Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 Wow, that is an intriguing and bold statement considering Yeivin's book was written 40 years ago although this may be true and Yeivin's book continues to be the scholarly standard. I am curious how you feel about Joshua R. Jacobson's, Chanting the Hebrew: The Complete Guide to the Art of Cantillation. Being that Jacobson's encyclopedic text runs about 965 pages it is hard for me to believe that it could likely be simply a summary of Yeivin's book which only 324 pages. To be sure Jacobson does refer to both Yeivin's "Hat'amat ha-torah she-ba'al peh ba-te'amm" in Leshoneynu 24, and "Introduction the Tiberian Masorah". I fully agree with the statement above! I too would love to see Yeivin's work (and works) in Accordance, too! Thanks for the input- I have a general interest in most of this so any and all resources would be neat, BUT I will always push for original language texts before any "book." Patristic, and Syriac texts would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgreen Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Hi Robert and Matt, I asked Accordance for this years ago at https://www.accordancebible.com/forums/topic/17263-introduction-to-the-tiberian-masorah/?p=83502 Please add your +1 to revive the thread, and let Accordance know you would like it too. Thanks. Michel And so I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Holmstedt Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Wow, that is an intriguing and bold statement considering Yeivin's book was written 40 years ago although this may be true and Yeivin's book continues to be the scholarly standard. I am curious how you feel about Joshua R. Jacobson's, Chanting the Hebrew: The Complete Guide to the Art of Cantillation. Being that Jacobson's encyclopedic text runs about 965 pages it is hard for me to believe that it could likely be simply a summary of Yeivin's book which only 324 pages. To be sure Jacobson does refer to both Yeivin's "Hat'amat ha-torah she-ba'al peh ba-te'amm" in Leshoneynu 24, and "Introduction the Tiberian Masorah". The reason Yeivin's work remains the best is that Masoretic studies is a very small field. There have been a couple theses on the underlying system of the accents, but none of the ideas have made their way into a broader work. I hae no feelings about the Jacobsen book because I've never looked at it. I will only say that learning how to chant the text in a modern context may have little relevance to understanding the early medieval Masoretic system, simply because we don't even know what the medieval musical tropes were. So, I wonder how much the two works would overlap (Yeivin doesn't discuss the musical aspect at all). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The reason Yeivin's work remains the best is that Masoretic studies is a very small field. There have been a couple theses on the underlying system of the accents, but none of the ideas have made their way into a broader work. Thank you for your reply that makes sense. So, I wonder how much the two works would overlap (Yeivin doesn't discuss the musical aspect at all). Me, too. I will have to pick up a copy of Yeivin's work sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Heiserman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Is there an update on whether/when Accordance will get this source? I'd like to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Raynor Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 The following pdf has been a tremendous help with my Hebrew studies The Syntax of Masoretic Accents in the Hebrew Bible James D.Price Ph.D. Temple Baptist Seminary Hebrew Masoretic Accents (jamesdprice.com) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I’ve added this to the module requests list to send over to licensing. On that PDF @Gary Raynor, will he allow you to create it as a User Tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Raynor Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 41 minutes ago, Nathan Parker said: I’ve added this to the module requests list to send over to licensing. On that PDF @Gary Raynor, will he allow you to create it as a User Tool? I have passed on your question to James using the contact email indicated on his website. I will let you know (by PM) when or if he replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Great. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Raynor Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I have started on the journey of User Tools but the pdf file in Hebrew Masoretic Accents (jamesdprice.com) imports just as page numbers and empty character boxes. It imports into word365 with misaligned English and empty character boxes instead of Hebrew. I can use the user tool editor and manually paste content into it from the pdf and redo titles etc etc -exceedingly time consuming! However the embedded Hebraic font used in the pdf cannot be replicated and will involve searching to find a way around it or a lot of typing in Hebrew! I find the pdf quite usable on a multiscreen device opened next to accordance. Perhaps accordance could arrange for the author to market this as a regular tool in Accordance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Raynor Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I have discovered how to get the Hebraic font... Use software such as FontForge FontForge Open Source Font Editor There are two types of Hebrew fonts Type 1. RTL and the Hebrew Keyboard Type 2. LTR using an English keyboard which displays some Hebrew characters - great for mixed content The Hebraic font I extracted will not let you to type in it but it will allow word365 to display the font However this cannot be used by Accordance - back to square one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Thanks for the followup! Is this the tool you DM’d me about? If so, I could add it to our module requests list since. the User Tool import didn’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I could also see if we could followup with you about getting the User Tool to possibly import better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Raynor Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, Nathan Parker said: Thanks for the followup! Is this the tool you DM’d me about? If so, I could add it to our module requests list since. the User Tool import didn’t work. Yes it is the one I mentioned in the DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Parker Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 OK I’ll DM you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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