Search for modifier removed from head

[A. Smith]

Look at Gal 3.17, where the article is 6 words away from it's head (nomos), I'm wondering how I can search for other instances of this type of thing. I'd like to see just how far removed a head and modifier could be from one another, at least in the NT where I'm able to search. If there is a post related to this already that I've missed, simply point me to it. Thanks!

[Λύχνις Δαν]

I tried a bunch of things and most come up with a bunch of false positives though real examples appear among them. Here's one that finds the Gal 3:17 case. You will need the syntax option to run this.

 

 

Varying depth and the WITHIN distance will change the results

 

Here's something a bit better perhaps :

 

 

Thx

D

Edited November 9, 2018 by דָנִיאֶל

[A. Smith]

It seems like we ought to be able to search the 'bars' that connect the modifier and head on the syntax tree itself. I know about the searches you did, but they produce SO MANY false hits! I was hoping there would be a way to search not just for any specifier (as an example) but for a specifier and the constituent it modifies. Thanks.

[Λύχνις Δαν]

The syntax charts as drawn appear to suggest that we should be able to construct such a search (selecting a related specifier and head). It looks like the charts appear to know the relation, but I could not figure out how to specify that in a search when I looked yesterday. It very likely has to do with levels and whether the specifier is in or outside the relevant subject phrase.

 

Thx
D

[rwrobinson88]

I love accordance. I appreciate their syntax module. However, I have found it to be difficult for searching (the Greek Database at least -- I can't speak to the hebrew). I find that there just hasn't been as much training from the people that have created (the Greek again). When/if that happens, I think it would/will be super helpful to figuring things out. This is why I don't like to have software allegiance or pride. I really am impressed with and thankful for Accordance in so many ways. 

 

Here however, is where I just go to search in Cascadia and get an answer to this question in five minutes. 

 

 Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the New Testament: SBL Edition 3 results

 

Luke 21:1

Ἀναβλέψας δὲ εἶδεν τοὺς βάλλοντας εἰς τὸ γαζοφυλάκιον τὰ δῶρα αὐτῶν πλουσίους

 

Gal 3:17

τοῦτο δὲ λέγω διαθήκην προκεκυρωμένην ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ὁ μετὰ τετρακόσια καὶ τριάκοντα ἔτη γεγονὼς νόμος οὐκ ἀκυροῖ εἰς τὸ καταργῆσαι τὴν ἐπαγγελίαν

 

Jude 1

Ἰούδας Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ δοῦλος ἀδελφὸς δὲ Ἰακώβου τοῖς ἐν θεῷ πατρὶ ἠγαπημένοις καὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστῷ τετηρημένοις κλητοῖς

 

To be clear, this isn't helping with Accordance (I'd like to look into this -- But Daniel typically knows better than anyone else from my experience), nor is it meant to be a jab at Accordance's database/search engine (especially nothing to do with the Hebrew -- Have I been clear on that point?? ). It was to provide the data, and a reminder to all that multiple databases are a blessing regardless of who produced them. 

Edited November 10, 2018 by rwrobinson88

[rwrobinson88]

If you reduce it to 5+ in between, you get two more hits:

 

1 Peter 2:14

ὡς τέκνα ὑπακοῆς, μὴ συσχηματιζόμενοι ταῖς πρότερον ἐν τῇ ἀγνοίᾳ ὑμῶν ἐπιθυμίαις,

 

2 Peter 1:16

Οὐ γὰρ σεσοφισμένοις μύθοις ἐξακολουθήσαντες ἐγνωρίσαμεν ὑμῖν τὴν τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ δύναμιν καὶ παρουσίαν, ἀλλʼ ἐπόπται γενηθέντες τῆς ἐκείνου μεγαλειότητος.

 

[Robert Holmstedt]

LOL. Appreciate the multiple caveats concerning the Hebrew database. I must have bemoaned collapsing the two databases enough times to be effective, eh?

[rwrobinson88]

Yes yes. Trying to be fair to all. Even people who like Hebrew more than Koine.  

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Hi Antony,

 

  Attached is a better shot at this. This will only work properly in 12.3.1 because a bug fix was required to the PLACE item. This basically implements a version of the search Ryan did in Cascadia syntax for the Accordance NT syntax module. It's a little more involved here because of the differences in the modelling in the two databases.

 

Thx

D

SeparatedModifierHead.accord.zip

[A. Smith]

Hi Antony,

 

  Attached is a better shot at this. This will only work properly in 12.3.1 because a bug fix was required to the PLACE item. This basically implements a version of the search Ryan did in Cascadia syntax for the Accordance NT syntax module. It's a little more involved here because of the differences in the modelling in the two databases.

 

Thx

D

 

I'm working through this now. Thanks for uploading the workspace.